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| Amy has entered the main house and is a full BB8 housemate. There is some anti Amy sentiment in the main house. The worry is that she could be bullied in the same way that BB7 housemates tried to bully Aisleyne. I feel some DS:BB support growing for Amy, in the same way that it did for Aisleyne. I don't think that Amy is as strong as Aisleyne but I feel she deserves some support.
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | Brian has marked her card as to what she can expect. I don't want Amy to win but I would love her to outlast Carole. Hopefully the public will see through what is going on and support Amy.
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| I can see Amy becoming a popular contestant
I am not a fan of hers yet but I don't dislike her. I think she is going to be a very interesting contestant.
Carole and Gerry have alrady been quite nasty about her but like Ash, Amy will rise above it
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Location: Scottish Borders | Well Liam likes her and will presumably convert the twins at least. If it creates a bit of tension between Liam and Carole, perhaps Carole will show her true colours and get evicted. |
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | Carole is still moaning about Amy, to Jonty this time. 
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Location: Wakefield | dont you think Amy looks sooooo different without make up on |
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| I really like Amy, she seems like a nice person.
I am really shocked by the way Carole is treating her.
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | I wasn't sure about her at first as quite a few people including Chanelle, Tracey and Carole were pointing out some fairly valid-sounding suspicions about her. However, the more I see the more I think they're mistaken.
I do think she's a genuinely nice girl but, even so, she's going to be a target for nomination next week. She's going to be lucky to survive long, I think 
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| I'm not really watching enough this year to come to my own conclusions about a lot of the BB8HMs, but there are a number of things about Amy which have enough "Aisleyne echoes" to lead me to be sympathetic towards her, namely:
1. She's a glamour model, who has done similar (though perhaps more explicit) stuff to pre-BB7 Aisleyne, but she also seems to have hidden depths to her personality.
2. She seems to be attracting an unfair amount of anti-feelings from some HMs, out of proportion to any critical comments she might have made
3. Comments on "other forums" about how she looks without make-up are disturbingly reminiscent of things said last year about Aisleyne (though the details are different).
Regarding her longevity in the house, I don't see her winning, so I think she might in fact benefit from an early departure. She is classic lad's mag material, especially in the boob department, and I'd have thought that a Zoo/Nuts cover shoot is pretty much guaranteed already, and I'm sure the tabloids will be interested too. If she was looking for a higher profile for that sort of work, I'd say she can already say "job done".
I'm interested to see how Aisleyne's attitude to Amy develops over the next few days, especially in relation to whether Ash's views on Carole shift also. |
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | ofni - 4/8/2007 00:26
I'd have thought that a Zoo/Nuts cover shoot is pretty much guaranteed already, and I'm sure the tabloids will be interested too. If she was looking for a higher profile for that sort of work, I'd say she can already say "job done".
As it happens she already features on the cover of this week's Nuts (in blonde mode) and has a two page topless spread on page 10 
BB is definitely a win-win situation for a glamour model as she can just continue what she's doing and demand more money for the same thing 
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| Julian - 4/8/2007 00:35
ofni - 4/8/2007 00:26
I'd have thought that a Zoo/Nuts cover shoot is pretty much guaranteed already, and I'm sure the tabloids will be interested too. If she was looking for a higher profile for that sort of work, I'd say she can already say "job done".
As it happens she already features on the cover of this week's Nuts (in blonde mode ) and has a two page topless spread on page 10
BB is definitely a win-win situation for a glamour model as she can just continue what she's doing and demand more money for the same thing
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| Amy is just such a cliched Big Bro contestant. We all know she's on the show to benefit her glamour modelling "career."
I didn't like the way she attempted to sabotage her fellow-half-way-housemate's chances when she was slagging them off during her first visit to the main house. And I don't like how she bedded Liam within 4 hours of knowing him! And did you see the smirk on her face when Shanessa'a name was announced last night? I don't trust Amy. Get her out next!
Jonty or Gerry to win!
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | I think her reasons for being on BB are honest and perfectly reasonable. They also happen to be very close to Aisleyne's reasons, as I understand it!
I don't think she deliberately tried to sabotage her fellow housemates, I think she was just giving her honest first impressions of them when asked. Not very much happened in the half way house other than Jonti's weirdness so it was only natural it would come up. It was a talking point and I don't think she was being overly critical.
I think it's worth bearing in mind that she had known Liam a lot longer than 4 hours. She could very well have been watching him for weeks. It was also Liam that made the first move. If I had gone into the house after watching Aisleyne for 8 weeks and she made a move on me I suspect I might have found it hard to resist
Come to think of it, if I had known her for four hours I might have found it hard to resist but then that sort of thing only happens in my imagination anyway  
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Location: Wales | Sorry guys i know alot of you like her etc but i cant warm to her at all i do think carole has valid points and concerns she is very astute not always right and moans but she does often get people right or situations , there have already been a few instances that have given people a reason to distrust amy one was the podcast another was latching on to liam straight away her smirk when shanessa was given the boot i just dont trust her sorry i dont see any of ais in amy |
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Location: Holland | yeh i agree harvest..yesterday she was very selfish with the radio recording task, she did it all her self but was asked to let others help |
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| I don't dislike or like her but I see nothing of Ash in Amy at all, in fact if I were Ash i'd be quite insulted at the comparison! |
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | I think the comparisons being made are more to do with the stitch up job being done on her by BB. They did their best to show Aisleyne in a bad light with selective editing and they are doing the same to Amy. There is plenty they could show on the support shows to knock the other housemates but they seem to whitewash things for them instead. Liam has been a right pillock just lately but was glorified on BBLB tonight when they could have shown us what really was happening. As a person Amy is nothing like Aisleyne. |
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| premierscfc - 6/8/2007 21:36
I think the comparisons being made are more to do with the stitch up job being done on her by BB. They did their best to show Aisleyne in a bad light with selective editing and they are doing the same to Amy. There is plenty they could show on the support shows to knock the other housemates but they seem to whitewash things for them instead. Liam has been a right pillock just lately but was glorified on BBLB tonight when they could have shown us what really was happening. As a person Amy is nothing like Aisleyne.
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | But it's the housemates who are saying these things, not BB. What would be wrong is if BB didn't show us what the housemates thought of her.
If we are all arguing that it's not true then they must have shown enough to sow those seeds.
Nothing will stop people being cynical. It wasn't BB that stitched Aisleyne up last year it was the natural tendency for people to view kindness and concern with suspicion and cynicism. Good deeds always have an ulterior motive in some people's minds. Genuine attraction on BB is always a gameplan. It's not BB's editing that does it it's the editing that goes on in the viewers' minds 
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| True, but BB's misrepresentation of the mach test result to libel Ash as "the most manipulative" WAS a stitch-up of the the most cynical kind. |
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | Julian - 6/8/2007 22:58 It wasn't BB that stitched Aisleyne up last year it was the natural tendency for people to view kindness and concern with suspicion and cynicism. Good deeds always have an ulterior motive in some people's minds. Genuine attraction on BB is always a gameplan. It's not BB's editing that does it it's the editing that goes on in the viewers' minds Regards Julian You can include Davina and Dermot in the people who viewed her kindness and concern with suspicion and cynicism. Dermot is a producer of BBLB so he is responsible for content and not saying what he is being paid to say but what he wants to say. He stitched Aisleyne up last year along with Davina and they are employed by Endemol. They are not doing their job properly this year neither. The highlights show bears very little resemblance as to what goes on in the house. Are all the people on DS and BBgen wrong in how they see Carole? You will struggle to find anyone with a good word for her. The highlights and especially BBLB portray her as a happy fun person when she is the complete opposite. BB have always edited the highlights to show their story and not to give a fair reflection of what goes on. It's not cynicism, it's a fact. |
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| premierscfc - 6/8/2007 23:12
BB have always edited the highlights to show their story and not to give a fair reflection of what goes on. It's not cynicism, it's a fact.
Yes there was an excellent expose of this sort of thing on BBC4 a few months ago - with Charlie something-or-thing and an ex-HM from BB7 - now what was her name...............? |
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | ofni - 6/8/2007 23:04
True, but BB's misrepresentation of the mach test result to libel Ash as "the most manipulative" WAS a stitch-up of the the most cynical kind.
I don't think they were deliberately targetting Aisleyne though. They were trying to show off their new psychological tests and Aisleyne happened to be off the scale on the Mach test. Personally I think that the psychologists' comments even before they had their own dedicated show were often deeply prejudicial and unfair to the housemates that the psychologists targetted but I do think that these were their honest opinions based on their scientific observations not a campaign to stitch anyone up.
I actually think that showing the Mach test on the main show near the end was actually designed to give Aisleyne a chance to answer the main criticism that had been levelled at her since it had appeared on the psychology show. Her reaction to it went a long way to changing the people's opinion of her and the next pyschology show basically backtracked big time on what they had originally said it actually meant.
I think this year they are, for the most part, demonstrating the science without being too prejudicial (apart from the guy who has it in for Ziggy ). I think they've learned from last year 
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | premierscfc - 6/8/2007 23:12
You can include Davina and Dermot in the people who viewed her kindness and concern with suspicion and cynicism. Dermot is a producer of BBLB so he is responsible for content and not saying what he is being paid to say but what he wants to say. He stitched Aisleyne up last year along with Davina and they are employed by Endemol.
I have never understood why people say that about Dermot. Dermot loved Aisleyne last year. He was always in her corner, aghast at the way the returning housemates were talking about her and over the moon when it turned out she was popular near the end. Where people get the idea he was anti-Aisleyne is completely beyond me
Davina didn't like her but, as I've said before, my Sister didn't either. Sometimes you get the wrong idea about people but it doesn't make you a bad person just a not very insightful one
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| I disagree. The mach test isn't supposed to be about manipulation, but that's the label BB used to stigmatize her in the eyes of the other housemates. It made Glyn suspicious of her and that led to him distancing himself from her when she really needed some support after Imogen was evicted. |
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| I'm beginning to change my mind about Amy. Whilst I'll never be her biggest fan, I'm actually beginning to feel a bit sorry for the girl. The way she's been treated by Liam (and to an extent Carole) is appalling. And the spin-off shows are so biased against her. She's clearly been targetted as the next villain following Charley's departure, but the true villain in all of this is arrogant, inconsiderate, sneaky Liam. |
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | I definitely think Amy is getting a rough deal. I don't think she's the schemer she's being painted as. I think she may have fancied Liam outside the house and when Liam started showing an interest she was certainly not going to knock him back. I think she supported the idea of selecting the halfway housemates to face the public vote out of a sense of fairness. I'd have done the same thing. The fairest way to select is by using logic and logically the new housemates hadn't earned their places in the house as much as the originals had. Perhaps she could have agonized over the decision more but she'd only known the others a few days. She'd known the original housemates from 8 weeks of watching. I haven't grown particularly attached to Amy but, she's barely been in the house a week. I think it's far too early to judge.
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | Julian - 6/8/2007 23:35 premierscfc - 6/8/2007 23:12 You can include Davina and Dermot in the people who viewed her kindness and concern with suspicion and cynicism. Dermot is a producer of BBLB so he is responsible for content and not saying what he is being paid to say but what he wants to say. He stitched Aisleyne up last year along with Davina and they are employed by Endemol. I have never understood why people say that about Dermot. Dermot loved Aisleyne last year. He was always in her corner, aghast at the way the returning housemates were talking about her and over the moon when it turned out she was popular near the end. Where people get the idea he was anti-Aisleyne is completely beyond me Davina didn't like her but, as I've said before, my Sister didn't either. Sometimes you get the wrong idea about people but it doesn't make you a bad person just a not very insightful one Regards Julian So you agree with Dermot then when he said that Aisleyne was putting on an act with the way she spoke (the show he did when Junior Simpson was his guest). The major portion of that particular show was all about Aisleyne being fake. Something we had to defend for weeks on the boards after that show. |
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | premierscfc - 6/8/2007 23:53
So you agree with Dermot then when he said that Aisleyne was putting on an act with the way she spoke (the show he did when Junior Simpson was his guest). The major portion of that particular show was all about Aisleyne being fake. Something we had to defend for weeks on the boards after that show.
Did he say she was being fake or was he asking his guest if she was? To be honest I don't remember but I'm sure I would have noticed if he had said anything untoward. I was as sensitive about criticism of Aisleyne as anyone.
I remember him being embarrassed for Aisleyne when he showed Aisleyne answering quiz questions incorrectly.
I remember him unhappy when the audience were negative towards her.
I remember him falling over himself with glee when she turned out to be popular in the polls.
As far as I was concerned he was as pro-Aisleyne last year as he is pro-Chanelle this year.
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| I'll consider that Dermot is pro-Aisleyne if and only if she appears as a guest on BBLB this month.
NOW, as to the subject of this thread, Amy...........
Will she make it on to the Daily Star's rota?
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| Julian - 6/8/2007 23:46
I definitely think Amy is getting a rough deal. I don't think she's the schemer she's being painted as. I think she may have fancied Liam outside the house and when Liam started showing an interest she was certainly not going to knock him back. I think she supported the idea of selecting the halfway housemates to face the public vote out of a sense of fairness. I'd have done the same thing. The fairest way to select is by using logic and logically the new housemates hadn't earned their places in the house as much as the originals had. Perhaps she could have agonized over the decision more but she'd only known the others a few days. She'd known the original housemates from 8 weeks of watching. I haven't grown particularly attached to Amy but, she's barely been in the house a week. I think it's far too early to judge.
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Oh I don't think Amy's an angel by any means. She clearly saw bedding Liam as a way to grab attention - let's face it she's hardly going to get noticed because of her personality! And I don't think she cared about Shanessa half as much as she claimed to. However, it takes two to tango and I can't help feeling Liam has led her on and Shanessa was wrong to hold Amy entirely responsible for being made to return to the half-way house.
Amy's faults are being blown way out of proportion and I think it's unfair.
The worst thing about all this is that she will be crucified by the public whereas Liam, who has behaved terribly, will receive a hearty cheer and his behaviour will be brushed aside as "typical laddish behaviour."
The girls always get a raw deal. It's such double standards.
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| I think what Liam said about Amy on last night show was horrible am seeing a different side to Liam, he seems to be putting other hms down with very not nice comments. He wanted a quicky and he got it then he ditched her. Amy has also been judge very unfairly because she's a glamour model, am not claiming to be her fan but the housemates should get to know her before making judgements, such as Carole and Chanelle who had a instant dislike straight away when Amy didn't do anything for her to dislike her. |
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| Well said Steph!
Liam is like a schoolboy - showing off at every opportunity, behaving immaturely, stirring, winding people up, mocking them. Get him out! |
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | Sid_1979 - 7/8/2007 17:28
Well said Steph!
Liam is like a schoolboy - showing off at every opportunity, behaving immaturely, stirring, winding people up, mocking them. Get him out!
I do think he lacks empathy sometimes. He might think certain things are not worth getting upset about but that doesn't mean that other people are not genuinely upset by them. Tracey is quite similar in that respect
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| BB on the couch on Sunday night was a aw full character assasignation of Amy. What is happening to Amy reminds me of what they did to Ash last year. It seems that on every available opportunity BB is delibrately portraying her in a bad light.
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | I don't believe that either Carole or BB are trying to pin something on Amy that they don't believe to be true.
I don't think it's true but I think that they believe it.
I've never bought into the conspiracy theories of BB trying to manipulate the viewers. I think a lot of people believed Aisleyne was fake last year, including the psychologists and probably a lot of the BB producers/editors.
They weren't trying to stitch her up they were trying to portray what they believed they saw.
Fortunately we saw the real Aisleyne and the public came to see it too
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | Carol actually said that Amy was prepared to have sex to get on in BB when nominating her. Carol makes Grace look like a saint. I hope Amy survives this week because she will not suck up to Carol like "her boys"
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | premierscfc - 8/8/2007 20:22
Carol actually said that Amy was prepared to have sex to get on in BB when nominating her. Carol makes Grace look like a saint. I hope Amy survives this week because she will not suck up to Carol like "her boys"
I agree with Amy when she says Carol is being narrow-minded. She's made her decision without giving her a chance and without even trying to get to know her.
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | http://entertainment.aol.co.uk/tv/big-brother/cast-your-vote-whos-y...
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| Kara unfortunately :(
Jonty or Gerry to win!
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Thanks! Some weird voting there though...
We're down to ten - who's your fave?
Amy 17%
Carol 15%
Samanda 15%
Ziggy 14%
Jonty 13%
Gerry 8%
Brian 7%
Liam 5%
Kara-Louise 3%
Tracey 3%
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | I remember some weird numbers last year but it settled down after a while to something more sensible. With Aisleyne topping the poll of course
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| Hey guys I hate Carole she does my head in she could be possibly worse then Charley sadly all these little girls who fancy Liam will vote Amy out, shame really |
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| I am really surprised that Aisleyne is not supporting Amy, as BB are stitching Amy up big time. I was surprised to reed in Aisleyne's BB Blog column that she want's Amy out. BB are stitching Amy up as they did with Aisleyne last year.
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | I thought Amy came across very well in her eviction interview.
People are always too quick to believe the worst
At the end of the day I liked all five of the nominees this week for different reasons so I would have been sad if any of them had gone.
Slightly less sad if it had been Jonty, though, it has to be said
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| dal1966 - 10/8/2007 17:52
I am really surprised that Aisleyne is not supporting Amy, as BB are stitching Amy up big time. I was surprised to reed in Aisleyne's BB Blog column that she want's Amy out. BB are stitching Amy up as they did with Aisleyne last year.
Carole's nomination comments about Amy was extremely nasty and over the top.
Aisleyne mainly watches the highlights programmes, so she only gets the edited version of events in the house. OA's post about this says a bit more...
http://www.aisleyne.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1210&posts... |
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