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| Big Brother Blogger Grace Dent was an avid supporter of Aisleyne last year. She is a great judge of chracter and hilarious with it 
Below is a link to her latest take on this year's housemates - enjoy!
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| Grace Dent mentions Aisleyne in her Blog today  (Monday 25 June)
Same link as above.
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| Interested Observer - 25/6/2007 14:04
Grace Dent mentions Aisleyne in her Blog today (Monday 25 June )
Same link as above.
Thanks! I see that she has elevated Aisleyne to sainthood now.
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| Yep and the very first letter Grace received and responded to on that blog was from me!! |
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| Sid_1979 - 27/6/2007 17:07
Yep and the very first letter Grace received and responded to on that blog was from me!!
Well done, it's a good letter! But what were the other three "jolly irate" paragraphs?  |
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| Hahaha,
Probably about brainless bimbo Brain having the audacity to criticise Gerry for being cultured and educated! Or Liam's facade as "mr nice guy" when really he's a bit of a bitch and has been stringing Nicky along....I get very carried away!
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | Funnily enough, I was thinking of writing to Grace disagreeing with that first letter! Given that we've had two psychology shows running in which apparent experts have stated their belief that the whole thing is fake I couldn't understand how anyone could believe BB were being biased in favour of them!
They've shown Ziggy talking about how Chanelle's too young for him and how he's not her type. They've shown Chanelle in the shower with Billi. They've shown Chanelle's comments about how she wants people to look at her and Ziggy and think of Posh and Becks. Now they've shown Ziggy telling Chanelle how many girls he's slept with and how different he and Chanelle are. Plus they've shown he's on the rebound from being dumped recently.
If there's any bias going on it's against them - not for them!
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | Sid_1979 - 27/6/2007 20:12
Hahaha,
Probably about brainless bimbo Brain having the audacity to criticise Gerry for being cultured and educated! Or Liam's facade as "mr nice guy" when really he's a bit of a bitch and has been stringing Nicky along....I get very carried away!
Actually, I'd tend to agree with those points. I like Brian but that criticism of Jerry was not one of his finer moments 
Having said that, BB goes to great lengths to get housemates to think of valid reasons for nominating and things like "he's a great guy but we don't have anything in common" don't really cut it. They often spend 30 minutes each nominating which we get to see as a twenty second sound-bite. I reckon half of what they say are made up reasons just to satisfy BB!
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| Hey Julian Mate,
The letter I wrote to Grace is over a week old now. And I was referring more to Davina shouting down the remarks made by the psychologists on her spin-off show regarding the genuineness of "Chiggy!" and Dermot claiming that Chanelle and Ziggy were bound to reach the final on BBLB.
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| Grace Dent has updated her blog today. She wants Charley out!
http://www.radiotimes.com/content/features/tvod/ |
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| Grace talks a lot of sense as per - and manages to make me chuckle while she does it 
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | Sid_1979 - 28/6/2007 14:57
Hey Julian Mate,
The letter I wrote to Grace is over a week old now. And I was referring more to Davina shouting down the remarks made by the psychologists on her spin-off show regarding the genuineness of "Chiggy!" and Dermot claiming that Chanelle and Ziggy were bound to reach the final on BBLB.
My feelings were based on when I read it which was the date the blog was published. The Dermot thing must have gone straight over my head as I didn't notice it at all 
As far as the first psychology show was concerned I took the way they were showing Davina being positive about the romance at the start as a way to prove more forcefully that Chiggy was fake because she went from positive they were real to sadly forced to admit it was fake by the end. I think that would have been far more convincing in converting people than if she had been neutral or anti-Chiggy from the start.
Alternatively you could argue that her comments were balancing the negativity of the experts but since she ended up apparently agreeing with them I think the net result was definitely biased against, rather than for, Chiggy.
I really dislike those psychology shows. They're incredibly prejudicial and not at all scientific. The actual science is fine but the conclusions drawn are largely just opinion and guesswork presented as expert testimony. I think the show is just there to give C4 a veneer of respectability so that they can claim BB is still a great science experiement instead of the exercise in tittilation and voyeurism that it's critics accuse it of
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | Sid_1979 - 28/6/2007 17:23
Grace talks a lot of sense as per - and manages to make me chuckle while she does it
I love Grace's blog and I usually agree with it. Even the stuff dissing Ziggy this week rings pretty true.
All of my favourites this year seem to have some annoying character trait which prevent me from getting totally behind them 
Ah well, there's a long way to go yet
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| Yep agreed on both counts Julian.
Although I think the psychologists do the best they can given that the evidence they are looking at is observational - there is always going to be some interpretation subjectivity and bias.
I haven't found myself fiercely championing anyone yet either - but as you said it's early days and the unpredictability of this year's show is actually quite exciting!
Gerry is probably be my favourite so far. He seems to be an all-rounder - funny, serious, perceptive and intelligent. |
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| Grace Dent's blog has been updated today. She talks about Billi's eviction, amongst other things...
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| Hiya maringo,
Just read it - thanks for bumping Grace Love her take on Chiggy.
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | Sid_1979 - 2/7/2007 18:22
Just read it - thanks for bumping Grace Love her take on Chiggy.
I guess even Grace can be wrong sometimes
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| Julian - 3/7/2007 00:37
I guess even Grace can be wrong sometimes
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That's blasphemy  Go rinse your mouth out with soap!
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| Grace Dent has updated her blog...
http://www.radiotimes.com/content/features/tvod/
I wonder whether she'll meet Aisleyne today...
http://www.aisleyne.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1439&posts... |
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| The thing about Grace Dent is you don't have to agree with what she says, but you always have to laugh out loud at the way she says it.
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| ofni - 5/7/2007 17:22
The thing about Grace Dent is you don't have to agree with what she says, but you always have to laugh out loud at the way she says it.
That would be maniacal laughter in your case. Everybody has seen your plans to bump her and Trisha off...
http://www.aisleyne.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1439&posts...
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| Grace Dent's BB8 blog has just been updated...
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| Thanks again Maringo.
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| Sid_1979 - 9/7/2007 17:06
Thanks again Maringo.
Not up to her usual standard but still a decent read
And no mention of meeting Aisleyne at the 8/10 Cats recording.
This bit's good though (if somewhat mean)...
"If only Chanelle could learn to walk backwards, draw a lipstick face on her ass and teach it to speak, she'd have a minute chance of winning." |
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| Damn I missed 8 out of 10 Cats.....were they both guests on it then? How did they fare? Tell all! |
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| Sid_1979 - 9/7/2007 17:25
Damn I missed 8 out of 10 Cats.....were they both guests on it then? How did they fare? Tell all!
They weren't on the show, but they might have met each other in the green room. Aisleyne will be guesting on a future episode, most likely the BB special during the final...
http://www.aisleyne.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1439&posts... |
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| Ah right thanks for the heads-up and all the links you provide maringo - you're a wealth of information! |
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| Bumping for Grace's Latest |
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| Sid_1979 - 12/7/2007 20:35
Bumping for Grace's Latest
Thanks! I forgot to check today...
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| Her blog was updated yesterday and she's very confused by Charley...
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| Her blog has been updated today...
http://www.radiotimes.com/content/features/tvod/
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | I find myself agreeing with her. I can't do with Charley. Brian may be playing a game by acting dumb but at least he is not hurting anybody unlike Charley. |
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| Her blog has been updated today...
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| Here's Grace's latest offering: http://www.radiotimes.com/content/features/tvod/
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| It seems that meeting the saint herself in the 8/10C Greenroom brought the old feelings flooding back!! |
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| ofni - 26/7/2007 19:33
It seems that meeting the saint herself in the 8/10C Greenroom brought the old feelings flooding back!!
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ofni - 26/7/2007 19:33
It seems that meeting the saint herself in the 8/10C Greenroom brought the old feelings flooding back!!
I wonder if they went clubbing afterwards? Hopefully, not the type Grace talks about Ash doing in the blog entry.
Is that what's meant by setting the seal on a perfect night out?
Going back to what Grace actually says though, it does highlight a big difference between BB7 and BB8. I thought that my detached view of this year's lot was simply down to the uniqueness of my "attachment" to Aisleyne. But Grace clearly feels similarly even though she's presumably not as Ash-bonkers as we are. Broadening it out, I really can't see in 12 months time anything like the amount of ongoing "devotion" to BB8HMs as still persists for not just Ash, but Pete, Nikki, Grace, and a fair number of other BB7s too. |
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| Her blog has been updated now...
http://www.radiotimes.com/content/features/tvod/
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| ofni - 30/7/2007 17:49
Clearly Grace D prefers to mention Aisleyne than be strictly historically accurate, and who am I to disagree?
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| Grace Dent's blog has been updated...
http://www.radiotimes.com/content/features/tvod/
No mention of Aisleyne this time, but lots about Shanessa. |
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| Great as always, thanks Maringo |
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| It has been updated again...
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| Here's her latest entry...
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| Her latest blog entry is now online...
http://www.radiotimes.com/content/features/tvod/
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | " I've not seen anyone as manipulative on Big Brother before." Some statement from GD about Carole. She makes my top 5 despicable housemates but I could probably find a couple worse than her if I tried.
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| premierscfc - 13/8/2007 16:42
" I've not seen anyone as manipulative on Big Brother before." Some statement from GD about Carole. She makes my top 5 despicable housemates but I could probably find a couple worse than her if I tried.
I think the difference this year has been that too many of the other HMs are so idle, childish and dependant that they PREFER being controlled and (s)mothered, so Mother Carole has had a free run. |
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | ofni - 13/8/2007 17:00 premierscfc - 13/8/2007 16:42 " I've not seen anyone as manipulative on Big Brother before." Some statement from GD about Carole. She makes my top 5 despicable housemates but I could probably find a couple worse than her if I tried.
I think the difference this year has been that too many of the other HMs are so idle, childish and dependant that they PREFER being controlled and (s )mothered, so Mother Carole has had a free run. I think she took their independance from them though. They never had a chance to stake their claim on the house. The first time she was out of the way they proved they can cope when they made the roast dinner. When Susie was evicted last year the others coped ok without her even though she ruled the kitchen. She is a pain in the bum even when they have a luxury budget. We will never know now if the housemates can look after themselves or not thanks to her domineering. She confuses her own opinions as fact, she tells lies to poison the minds of other housemates against her victim of the moment and is not adverse to turning on the waterworks if she does not get her own way.
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | What I love about Grace's blog is that even when you don't agree with it, it's still a brilliant read
I particularly don't agree with her take on Amy this week.
As for Carole, I think that the housemates put up with Carole's controlling ways because they love her so much. Pretty much universally, despite the fact that they are perfectly aware of her faults and are the primary victims of it, they all think she's wonderful.
I don't think that reflects badly on them at all. I don't think they are wimps without the gumption to stand up to her. They are just people who think a lot of her and don't want to hurt her.
As much as there are things that I don't like about Carole I think it says a lot that so many of the people who are actually close to her like her so much. It's not like we're seeing something that they're not
Having said that, she'd probably be the one I'd vote to evict given the chance
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| Grace Dent's blog was updated yesterday...
http://talk.radiotimes.com/thread.jspa?threadID=400000270
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| Grace Dent's blog has been updated...
http://talk.radiotimes.com/thread.jspa?threadID=400000292
I totally agree with her on the chocolate digestives, those own-brand ones are nasty. Get rid of them! 
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| maringo - 20/8/2007 16:20
Grace Dent's blog has been updated...
http://talk.radiotimes.com/thread.jspa?threadID=400000292
I totally agree with her on the chocolate digestives, those own-brand ones are nasty. Get rid of them!
She also talks about that Big Brother programme off the telly.
Yes I noted only this last week that Cadbury have changed the branding on their plain chocolate digestives from "Bournville" to "Cadbury's Dark Chocolate" - I'm deeply suspicious that they've mucked about with the quality of the ingredients there.
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | Todays entry from Grace is probably her best so far this series. She certainly has Carole's number.
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| Her blog was updated today...
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| A day late due to the bank holiday, but worth the wait...
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| premierscfc - 20/8/2007 18:21
She certainly has Carole's number.
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| ofni - 28/8/2007 18:15
It seems to me that, like many other people round these parts (of cyberspace ), Grace is suffering from WABBIDAD (Without Aisleyne Big Brother is Dull as Dishwater ) Syndrome.
Perhaps the wabbidaddies should've started a BBBBBBBB campaign? (Blooming Bring Back Blonde to Brunette Babe to Big Brother) |
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| maringo - 28/8/2007 21:47
ofni - 28/8/2007 18:15
It seems to me that, like many other people round these parts (of cyberspace ), Grace is suffering from WABBIDAD (Without Aisleyne Big Brother is Dull as Dishwater ) Syndrome.
Perhaps the wabbidaddies should've started a BBBBBBBB campaign? (Blooming Bring Back Blonde to Brunette Babe to Big Brother )
Let's face it, almost ANYONE from BB7 would have helped stir this lot up e.g. How would Lisa or even Lea have affected Ma Baker and her boys? |
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| Grace's latest (and last?) blog entry...
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | Grace Dent is back! This time her column is on the Channel 4 BB home page 
http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/news/newsstory.jsp?id=640&housem...
It looks like she's a guest on BBLB tomorrow (well today actually - must go to bed!)
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| I hope she won't have to tow the C4 party line too much. I want to know what she really thinks, not a C4-friendly watered-down version! |
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | dannyk - 8/6/2008 12:17 I hope she won't have to tow the C4 party line too much. I want to know what she really thinks, not a C4-friendly watered-down version! She was on BBLB this afternoon and criticised the birds and aeroplanes on the live feed so no sign of her preaching the party line yet. |
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| premierscfc - 8/6/2008 15:11
dannyk - 8/6/2008 12:17 I hope she won't have to tow the C4 party line too much. I want to know what she really thinks, not a C4-friendly watered-down version! She was on BBLB this afternoon and criticised the birds and aeroplanes on the live feed so no sign of her preaching the party line yet.
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| dannyk - 8/6/2008 17:48
premierscfc - 8/6/2008 15:11
dannyk - 8/6/2008 12:17 I hope she won't have to tow the C4 party line too much. I want to know what she really thinks, not a C4-friendly watered-down version! She was on BBLB this afternoon and criticised the birds and aeroplanes on the live feed so no sign of her preaching the party line yet.
That's good to hear. I don't think I'll be bothering much with BBLB this year, unless Aisleyne pops up on it again, which could be likely since the hosts seem to like her.
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Or maybe it's for me on about day 78 when I become convinced of an 'international media conspiracy' to evict my favourite housemate and begin sitting up all night bickering with strangers over the internet that Darnell should actually be canonized as a Saint. Oh dear
I wonder which previous HM she was thinking of? Another current BB Blogger perchance?
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | Grace Dents latest views on BB9 are online now. Click here
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | Well, I disagree about Mario and Lisa being only together for BB. We've already seen he's not that good an actor
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | Julian - 10/6/2008 20:16 Well, I disagree about Mario and Lisa being only together for BB. We've already seen he's not that good an actor Regards Julian The first Rocky film was ok though. |
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | premierscfc - 10/6/2008 20:19
Julian - 10/6/2008 20:16 Well, I disagree about Mario and Lisa being only together for BB. We've already seen he's not that good an actor Regards Julian The first Rocky film was ok though.
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| its just a shame she now has to peddled the Channel 4 line. It rather ruins it |
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | bradley27 - 24/6/2008 18:11 its just a shame she now has to peddled the Channel 4 line. It rather ruins it What is the Channel 4 line this series? |
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| premierscfc - 24/6/2008 18:15
bradley27 - 24/6/2008 18:11 its just a shame she now has to peddled the Channel 4 line. It rather ruins it What is the Channel 4 line this series?
no criticism of the production team.
defending Alex last week
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Surely what is more significant, though, and especially with Grace going twice weekly on C4, is that there is now only ONE, DAILY, truly INDEPENDENT, BB blog ....
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | bradley27 - 24/6/2008 19:25 premierscfc - 24/6/2008 18:15 bradley27 - 24/6/2008 18:11 its just a shame she now has to peddled the Channel 4 line. It rather ruins it What is the Channel 4 line this series? no criticism of the production team. defending Alex last week building up the love triangle between Jen Dale and Stu, just like Chavina did on the live show Finally having a go at Rachael, which she would never have done before What criticism of the production team was needed. I assume you must mean the vetting of the contestants. They supposed to use psychologists to profile the contestants. Psychologists seem to be the accepted way to go but I personally think psychology is a waste of time and is a subject for students not intelligent enough to study for a proper career. The love triangle was still very much on topic on last nights live feed (it was all that Dale and Jen were talking about) and she wrote about it. Perhaps she should ignore it and write about stuff that is not happening.
As for Rachael there are plenty of people posting on DS saying exactly the same about her so have they sold out as well. Saying anything positive about Alex is hardly selling out. What is the "company line" on Alex. If Alex was the C4 chosen one she would have been evicted last Friday and not thrown out.
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | If anything, I think Grace is trying too much to buck the party line. She started off believing that Mario and Lisa weren't a real couple despite Channel 4 never suggesting anything of the sort. She had to retract that a week later on BBLB.
Then she suggested that Alex may not have been all bad and might need to hang around longer just days before BB chucked her out.
Now she's saying that Jen isn't into Dale one day after a highlight show showing them hugging (with clear sounds of their hearts racing) and the very next News item to hers on the website is a report of Jennifer telling Dale that she plans on having him in her life for a long time to come!
Personally I think it's where she doesn't follow channel 4 that she keeps getting it wrong
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| premierscfc - 24/6/2008 19:52
bradley27 - 24/6/2008 19:25 premierscfc - 24/6/2008 18:15 bradley27 - 24/6/2008 18:11 its just a shame she now has to peddled the Channel 4 line. It rather ruins it What is the Channel 4 line this series? no criticism of the production team. defending Alex last week building up the love triangle between Jen Dale and Stu, just like Chavina did on the live show Finally having a go at Rachael, which she would never have done before What criticism of the production team was needed. I assume you must mean the vetting of the contestants. They supposed to use psychologists to profile the contestants. Psychologists seem to be the accepted way to go but I personally think psychology is a waste of time and is a subject for students not intelligent enough to study for a proper career. The love triangle was still very much on topic on last nights live feed (it was all that Dale and Jen were talking about) and she wrote about it. Perhaps she should ignore it and write about stuff that is not happening.
As for Rachael there are plenty of people posting on DS saying exactly the same about her so have they sold out as well. Saying anything positive about Alex is hardly selling out. What is the "company line" on Alex. If Alex was the C4 chosen one she would have been evicted last Friday and not thrown out.
The time we will find out if Grace Dent has sold out will be once BB have decided who there Brian Belo or Glyn Wise is and she either agrees or disagrees. Until then she is innocent until proven guilty.
but I think she is guilty. She has sold her BB soul and its a shame. She would constantly be referring to the mistakes the BB production team did, can you really see her doing it this year. As for Alex, yes it was a question of towing the party line. she would never have spoken up for Alex, like she didnt for Charlie last year. But they wanted to lessen the effect on Alex going with the crowds waiting for her, until they got the excuse (rightly) to get her out early.
As for the love triangle, of course some people are talking about it on the forums, thats the whole idea of putting it into the minds of the viewers in the first place. Davina said the party line (as she did the first week with mario and lisa, which was completely wrong) and good old company worker Grace has continued it in her blog.
Its just a shame but she sold out and took the money. You cant write objectively from within.
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | bradley27 - 24/6/2008 23:38
As for Alex, yes it was a question of towing the party line. she would never have spoken up for Alex, like she didnt for Charlie last year. But they wanted to lessen the effect on Alex going with the crowds waiting for her, until they got the excuse (rightly) to get her out early.
I'm sorry but I think that's a bit of a reach. I don't think the producers couold possibly be foolish enough to think that a single opinion voiced by someone on a BB website (which only a fraction of the BB viewers actually read) would have the slightest affect on the baying mob that is the BB audition crowd!
There were parts of Alex's character that showed a certain vulnerability and a softer side and I have no doubt in my mind that Grace was talking for herself when she relaxed her attack on her.
I don't remember Davina saying anything about Mario and Lisa being fake but every news article and highlight show went out of its way to show the complete opposite so I really can't see how you can say that Grace was following the party line by suggesting that they weren't really an item. BB had explicitly stated that they had been together for three years so how can it have been the party line to suggest otherwise? More importantly, what possible reason would C4 have had for taking that line?
I've never been one for BB conspiracy theories and I really don't see anything wrong with Grace's blogs. There are things I don't agree with (and there have been in previous years as well) but she still has a terrific way with words which makes reading them thoroughly enjoyable regardless of whether I agree with them or not.
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| Julian - 25/6/2008 00:12
bradley27 - 24/6/2008 23:38
As for Alex, yes it was a question of towing the party line. she would never have spoken up for Alex, like she didnt for Charlie last year. But they wanted to lessen the effect on Alex going with the crowds waiting for her, until they got the excuse (rightly) to get her out early.
I'm sorry but I think that's a bit of a reach. I don't think the producers couold possibly be foolish enough to think that a single opinion voiced by someone on a BB website (which only a fraction of the BB viewers actually read ) would have the slightest affect on the baying mob that is the BB audition crowd!
There were parts of Alex's character that showed a certain vulnerability and a softer side and I have no doubt in my mind that Grace was talking for herself when she relaxed her attack on her.
I don't remember Davina saying anything about Mario and Lisa being fake but every news article and highlight show went out of its way to show the complete opposite so I really can't see how you can say that Grace was following the party line by suggesting that they weren't really an item. BB had explicitly stated that they had been together for three years so how can it have been the party line to suggest otherwise? More importantly, what possible reason would C4 have had for taking that line?
I've never been one for BB conspiracy theories and I really don't see anything wrong with Grace's blogs. There are things I don't agree with (and there have been in previous years as well ) but she still has a terrific way with words which makes reading them thoroughly enjoyable regardless of whether I agree with them or not.
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but it isnt just a single voice. Davina also praised Alex on her video thingy. I dont have a problem with that in the case of Alex as they have to protect these people. As horrid as Alex was, they have to protect them as they havent done anything illegal and they owe them a duty of care. Thats why they try and put those points across as well as seizing the opportunity to get her out when they could. |
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | bradley27 - 24/6/2008 23:38 premierscfc - 24/6/2008 19:52 bradley27 - 24/6/2008 19:25 premierscfc - 24/6/2008 18:15 bradley27 - 24/6/2008 18:11 its just a shame she now has to peddled the Channel 4 line. It rather ruins it What is the Channel 4 line this series? no criticism of the production team. defending Alex last week building up the love triangle between Jen Dale and Stu, just like Chavina did on the live show Finally having a go at Rachael, which she would never have done before What criticism of the production team was needed. I assume you must mean the vetting of the contestants. They supposed to use psychologists to profile the contestants. Psychologists seem to be the accepted way to go but I personally think psychology is a waste of time and is a subject for students not intelligent enough to study for a proper career. The love triangle was still very much on topic on last nights live feed (it was all that Dale and Jen were talking about) and she wrote about it. Perhaps she should ignore it and write about stuff that is not happening.
As for Rachael there are plenty of people posting on DS saying exactly the same about her so have they sold out as well. Saying anything positive about Alex is hardly selling out. What is the "company line" on Alex. If Alex was the C4 chosen one she would have been evicted last Friday and not thrown out.
The time we will find out if Grace Dent has sold out will be once BB have decided who there Brian Belo or Glyn Wise is and she either agrees or disagrees. Until then she is innocent until proven guilty. but I think she is guilty. She has sold her BB soul and its a shame. She would constantly be referring to the mistakes the BB production team did, can you really see her doing it this year. As for Alex, yes it was a question of towing the party line. she would never have spoken up for Alex, like she didnt for Charlie last year. But they wanted to lessen the effect on Alex going with the crowds waiting for her, until they got the excuse (rightly ) to get her out early. As for the love triangle, of course some people are talking about it on the forums, thats the whole idea of putting it into the minds of the viewers in the first place. Davina said the party line (as she did the first week with mario and lisa, which was completely wrong ) and good old company worker Grace has continued it in her blog. Its just a shame but she sold out and took the money. You cant write objectively from within. Who mentioned that the love triangle is being talked about on the forums. I said it was all over the TV screen. Anybody who is doing a blog and not mentioning the love triangle would be a poor blogger. All we had on the live feed at night on Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday was the "Love Triangle/Square". I mentioned people questioning wether Rachel is what she seems to be is being discussed on the forums, not just by Grace Dent. Is Grace Dent following "company policy " with that opinion because I don't see Channel 4 trying to paint Rachel as a villain. Grace seems to be off message again if she is supposed to be following company policy. As far as I am concerned the jury is still out on wether Grace Dent has sold out and therefore she is innocent until proven guilty. I would also like to say that so far this series BB do not seem to be shoving any particular housemate down our throats like they did with Glyn Wise, Brian Belo. I would have thought they would have favoured Luke as he seems to fit the profile of the one they normally back but they showed Rachel's nomination of him and Darnell outing him when that could quite easily have been edited out of the highlights. The live feed has far less planes landing and birds tweeting than it has had for a few series now and it has been quite surprising some of the things that we have heard on the live feed (BB8 was awful for that). They could have quite easily interfered with this weeks nominations and stopped whoever they wanted from nominating as nearly all of them have done enough to be judged as breaking the rules regarding discussing nominations but we have the ones the housemates wanted up being the ones up for eviction I would have been a lot happier if we had this attitude from the producers in BB7. All in all I think Endemol have done OK so far with BB9 and maybe they have taken onboard some of the criticism they have recived in the past, they still have time to stuff it up but so far so good. footnote: I am not on the payroll at C4 and have not sold these are just my opinions. |
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| premierscfc - 25/6/2008 09:50
footnote: I am not on the payroll at C4 and have not sold these are just my opinions.
yeah you say that, but you are hardly going to admit it.
Anyway, your jury might be out, but mine has come back and given its verdict and one important thing to remember is "I'm never wrong".... so there
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| premierscfc - 25/6/2008 09:50
Who mentioned that the love triangle is being talked about on the forums. I said it was all over the TV screen. Anybody who is doing a blog and not mentioning the love triangle would be a poor blogger. All we had on the live feed at night on Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday was the "Love Triangle/Square
You cant seriously expect me to read your post properly can you?
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| anyone who doesnt think Grace Dent has sold her soul should read this weeks offering. It might as well have been writing by the production team. This is not the Grace Dent of old, just the Grace Dent of following the party line. Shame |
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | I think her blog is pretty accurate. She says there is no future in Beccy/Luke, she slates Dale, takes the mickey out of Lisa, likes Rex and detests Mikey. That seems to be pretty much how I see things as well.
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | bradley27 - 15/7/2008 16:32
anyone who doesnt think Grace Dent has sold her soul should read this weeks offering. It might as well have been writing by the production team. This is not the Grace Dent of old, just the Grace Dent of following the party line. Shame
I agree with premierpfc, I really don't understand this sell-out idea at all. It seems to me as though you don't agree with her and, therefore, consider her to be selling out but, as far as I'm concerned, I'm agreeing with her opinions just as much as I ever did.
If some of her observations happen to coincide with Davina's opinions or George and Zezi's opinions then I would say that the only thing it shows is that there's a concensus of opinion. I've seen plenty of occasions where there is no concensus. For example, George clearly believes Bex and Luke's kiss was designed to save Bex from eviction whereas Davina believes it's real and that there could be a real romance. Grace doesn't believe either of these scenarios. She actually goes for a different scenario, which is that the kiss was real but that no romance is ever going to come of it due to Bex's indifference. This happens to coincide exactly with the way I see it so she gets a thumbs up from me on that one
Perhaps if you could explain a specific opinion you have an issue with it might help me understand where you're coming from
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | premierscfc - 15/7/2008 16:46
I think her blog is pretty accurate. She says there is no future in Beccy/Luke, she slates Dale, takes the mickey out of Lisa, likes Rex and detests Mikey. That seems to be pretty much how I see things as well.
She does seem to like Lisa, though. She doesn't think Maysoon deserves to be on the heavenly side while house-mother Lisa is on the hell side.
Grace wasn't sure why Rex would want to be in the house. I heard Rex say on live-streaming one night that the reason he wanted to do BB was to try to get over his obsession with being in control. He feels he is too controlling and jealous of his girlfriend and is hoping that his time in the house will help him to let go a bit.
I must say, the way he explained his treatment of his girlfriend was not good. I get the feeling he's suppressing his nasty side quite a bit in the house - painting vandalism aside
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| Its not the opinions that are the main problem, there is a completely different style and there is no way she would have written like that in previous years. She would not have defended Alex when she did and this week it was quite ridiculous the way she followed the script about Luke and Bex, even though their behaviour has been terrible. She is simply following what shes told to follow. It really isnt hard to see. Even her criticism of Maysoon isnt like her normal self. She would have stuck up for her in the past. Also there hasnt been a single word about the production. I think someone posted a very good article on DS today about how they influence their writers, but its not as if its not obvious with Grace. Its a completely different style. She took the money and lost her objectivity. Please read this and the article banned by BB itself:
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| premierscfc - 15/7/2008 16:46
I think her blog is pretty accurate. She says there is no future in Beccy/Luke, she slates Dale, takes the mickey out of Lisa, likes Rex and detests Mikey. That seems to be pretty much how I see things as well.
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | bradley27 - 16/7/2008 00:51 premierscfc - 15/7/2008 16:46 I think her blog is pretty accurate. She says there is no future in Beccy/Luke, she slates Dale, takes the mickey out of Lisa, likes Rex and detests Mikey. That seems to be pretty much how I see things as well.
its not who or what she supports, its how its written If she had signed up on DS and posted word for word the same article there would not be any criticism. It does seem to be only one forums members that has a problem with Grace Dent this series. |
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| premierscfc - 16/7/2008 08:13
bradley27 - 16/7/2008 00:51 premierscfc - 15/7/2008 16:46 I think her blog is pretty accurate. She says there is no future in Beccy/Luke, she slates Dale, takes the mickey out of Lisa, likes Rex and detests Mikey. That seems to be pretty much how I see things as well.
its not who or what she supports, its how its written If she had signed up on DS and posted word for word the same article there would not be any criticism. It does seem to be only one forums members that has a problem with Grace Dent this series.
I disagree. I would have been most dissappointed in what she had written. Although I wouldnt know why, unlike with her writing for BB we know the reason why |
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | bradley27 - 16/7/2008 00:50
Its not the opinions that are the main problem, there is a completely different style and there is no way she would have written like that in previous years. She would not have defended Alex when she did and this week it was quite ridiculous the way she followed the script about Luke and Bex, even though their behaviour has been terrible.
I don't understand where she's following the script about Bex and Luke when, as I pointed out, her opinion doesn't coincide with either of the opinions expressed by presenters of the show? It's your opinion that this behaviour was terrible and, therefore, it is your opinion that is the basis for your objection to her coverage of that behaviour. As far as I can see, her only problem is that she doesn't agree with your opinion!
All the presenters seem to have different views and, apart from a lack of coverage on some of my favourites sometimes, the highlight shows and Diary Room Uncut seem to be bias-free as well. If there's a party line on anything, I really can't tell what it is!
As for style, if she wants to adopt a different style for a different platform then that's up to her - I don't have a problem with the concept. However I don't see any evidence of a different style or any reason why C4 would benefit by requiring it. It's pretty obvious that they wouldn't want her to slag off the program itself but that wouldn't restrict her to any particular opinion about the housemates and, as far as I'm concerned, there is nothing to criticize with respect to the program anyway.
As far as I'm concerned it's one of the best BB's yet. I love the design of the house, I love the tasks, I love the way they've gone back to basics with standard nominations every week and no format-changing twists. I love that the housemates don't get to hear the crowds reaction on eviction night, I love the mix of housemates and the lack of dedicated psychology programs unfairly prejudicing viewers. I love the token idea so that they can motivate housemates for the mini-tasks. I think the jail is a brilliant and effective punishment and the house divide and head-of-house idea are working well.
Right now the production is firing on all cylinders and I see no reason why Grace would need to criticize any part of it.
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| Julian - 16/7/2008 15:31
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Its not the opinions that are the main problem, there is a completely different style and there is no way she would have written like that in previous years. She would not have defended Alex when she did and this week it was quite ridiculous the way she followed the script about Luke and Bex, even though their behaviour has been terrible.
I don't understand where she's following the script about Bex and Luke when, as I pointed out, her opinion doesn't coincide with either of the opinions expressed by presenters of the show? It's your opinion that this behaviour was terrible and, therefore, it is your opinion that is the basis for your objection to her coverage of that behaviour. As far as I can see, her only problem is that she doesn't agree with your opinion!
All the presenters seem to have different views and, apart from a lack of coverage on some of my favourites sometimes, the highlight shows and Diary Room Uncut seem to be bias-free as well. If there's a party line on anything, I really can't tell what it is!
As for style, if she wants to adopt a different style for a different platform then that's up to her - I don't have a problem with the concept. However I don't see any evidence of a different style or any reason why C4 would benefit by requiring it. It's pretty obvious that they wouldn't want her to slag off the program itself but that wouldn't restrict her to any particular opinion about the housemates and, as far as I'm concerned, there is nothing to criticize with respect to the program anyway.
As far as I'm concerned it's one of the best BB's yet. I love the design of the house, I love the tasks, I love the way they've gone back to basics with standard nominations every week and no format-changing twists. I love that the housemates don't get to hear the crowds reaction on eviction night, I love the mix of housemates and the lack of dedicated psychology programs unfairly prejudicing viewers. I love the token idea so that they can motivate housemates for the mini-tasks. I think the jail is a brilliant and effective punishment and the house divide and head-of-house idea are working well.
Right now the production is firing on all cylinders and I see no reason why Grace would need to criticize any part of it.
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Again it has nothing about her opinion, its the way its presented. Besides her opinion about Bex and luke is the same as Davina, its just she has extended it to say it wont last. Its nothing to do with her opinions anyway, its the way its writing and the things she doesnt write. If you cant see you cant see it, but believe me this is nothing to do with her not expressing my views. |
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | bradley27 - 16/7/2008 17:20
Again it has nothing about her opinion, its the way its presented. Besides her opinion about Bex and luke is the same as Davina, its just she has extended it to say it wont last. Its nothing to do with her opinions anyway, its the way its writing and the things she doesnt write. If you cant see you cant see it, but believe me this is nothing to do with her not expressing my views.
Well, I really don't see it. I still enjoy her blogs immensely and have no problems with them at all.
In terms of what she says I can't see why you would object to it if you agreed with it. I still don't see how you can take a neutral highlight show, a romance-prone Davina (as per usual) and a cynical George and Zezi and deduce some kind of party-line or script from the presentation of differing opinions. Or is Davina's opinion the only one that counts?
In terms of style, I think, perhaps, you are used to her criticizing the show and the fact that she's not doing so is seen as a deviation in style. However, as far as I'm concerned, there's no cause to criticize the show this year so I don't think her blog would have been any different if she were working for C4 or not.
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| Julian - 16/7/2008 17:49
bradley27 - 16/7/2008 17:20
Again it has nothing about her opinion, its the way its presented. Besides her opinion about Bex and luke is the same as Davina, its just she has extended it to say it wont last. Its nothing to do with her opinions anyway, its the way its writing and the things she doesnt write. If you cant see you cant see it, but believe me this is nothing to do with her not expressing my views.
Well, I really don't see it. I still enjoy her blogs immensely and have no problems with them at all.
In terms of what she says I can't see why you would object to it if you agreed with it. I still don't see how you can take a neutral highlight show, a romance-prone Davina (as per usual ) and a cynical George and Zezi and deduce some kind of party-line or script from the presentation of differing opinions. Or is Davina's opinion the only one that counts?
In terms of style, I think, perhaps, you are used to her criticizing the show and the fact that she's not doing so is seen as a deviation in style. However, as far as I'm concerned, there's no cause to criticize the show this year so I don't think her blog would have been any different if she were working for C4 or not.
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I guess we just arent going to agree. We are just going to have to accept we have different opinions on this, and that I'm right and you arent. |
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| bradley27 - 16/7/2008 18:02
Julian - 16/7/2008 17:49
bradley27 - 16/7/2008 17:20
Again it has nothing about her opinion, its the way its presented. Besides her opinion about Bex and luke is the same as Davina, its just she has extended it to say it wont last. Its nothing to do with her opinions anyway, its the way its writing and the things she doesnt write. If you cant see you cant see it, but believe me this is nothing to do with her not expressing my views.
Well, I really don't see it. I still enjoy her blogs immensely and have no problems with them at all.
In terms of what she says I can't see why you would object to it if you agreed with it. I still don't see how you can take a neutral highlight show, a romance-prone Davina (as per usual ) and a cynical George and Zezi and deduce some kind of party-line or script from the presentation of differing opinions. Or is Davina's opinion the only one that counts?
In terms of style, I think, perhaps, you are used to her criticizing the show and the fact that she's not doing so is seen as a deviation in style. However, as far as I'm concerned, there's no cause to criticize the show this year so I don't think her blog would have been any different if she were working for C4 or not.
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I guess we just arent going to agree. We are just going to have to accept we have different opinions on this, and that I'm right and you arent.
For me, Grace Dent's writing could be improved by more references to Aisleyne. She may be a great writer, but I really only liked her because she saw Big Brother from my perspective. |
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | bradley27 - 16/7/2008 18:02
I guess we just arent going to agree. We are just going to have to accept we have different opinions on this, and that I'm right and you arent.
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| Julian - 16/7/2008 23:18
bradley27 - 16/7/2008 18:02
I guess we just arent going to agree. We are just going to have to accept we have different opinions on this, and that I'm right and you arent.
Ok, if you insist, I'll accept that I'm right and you aren't
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Sounds like a job for Mario the Facilitator....
FWIW I'm not buying into the sell-out theory either. I'm seeing pretty much the usual Grace Dent scalpel at work.
You could similarly argue that because Aisleyne's blogs are based mainly on her viewing the Highlights show, they will tend to reflect the Endemol priorities and "storylines" somewhat. It still doesn't invalidate her opinions and preferences, or detract from their appeal and entertainment value, whether you agree with her or not.
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| If you go and read this week's Grace Dent, I am happy to inform you is Grace back at what she does best. I dont agree with everything she says but thats the old Grace. Read that then read what she has written so far this series and the difference is clear. Lets hope its not a one off |
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | bradley27 - 22/7/2008 23:36 If you go and read this week's Grace Dent, I am happy to inform you is Grace back at what she does best. I dont agree with everything she says but thats the old Grace. Read that then read what she has written so far this series and the difference is clear. Lets hope its not a one off So she has not sold out then. |
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bradley27 - 22/7/2008 23:36 If you go and read this week's Grace Dent, I am happy to inform you is Grace back at what she does best. I dont agree with everything she says but thats the old Grace. Read that then read what she has written so far this series and the difference is clear. Lets hope its not a one off So she has not sold out then.
Unless of course she has been briefed by the Endomoluminati to signal the mid-series sea-change whereby Luke-the-Gob meets his nemesis, Rex finds his inner Ghandhi and St Rachel's "journey" moves out of edited HL purdah to assume centre stage! |
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | bradley27 - 22/7/2008 23:36
If you go and read this week's Grace Dent, I am happy to inform you is Grace back at what she does best. I dont agree with everything she says but thats the old Grace. Read that then read what she has written so far this series and the difference is clear. Lets hope its not a one off
She does seem to have gotten a bit more acerbic. Possibly she read the recent opinions by Karen Krizanovich which were certainly not pulling any punches
http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/news/newsstory.jsp?id=9083&posit...
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| premierscfc - 22/7/2008 23:40
bradley27 - 22/7/2008 23:36 If you go and read this week's Grace Dent, I am happy to inform you is Grace back at what she does best. I dont agree with everything she says but thats the old Grace. Read that then read what she has written so far this series and the difference is clear. Lets hope its not a one off So she has not sold out then.
Well there is a complete difference this week. Makes you wonder why it wasnt the case before as she was certainly towing that line. Who knows maybe they gave her a free rein this week, before going back. However you cant write objectively about the company that pays your wages. It is a conflict of interest
Honestly cant you see the difference between this weeks and previous weeks
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | bradley27 - 23/7/2008 01:01 premierscfc - 22/7/2008 23:40 bradley27 - 22/7/2008 23:36 If you go and read this week's Grace Dent, I am happy to inform you is Grace back at what she does best. I dont agree with everything she says but thats the old Grace. Read that then read what she has written so far this series and the difference is clear. Lets hope its not a one off So she has not sold out then. Well there is a complete difference this week. Makes you wonder why it wasnt the case before as she was certainly towing that line. Who knows maybe they gave her a free rein this week, before going back. However you cant write objectively about the company that pays your wages. It is a conflict of interest Honestly cant you see the difference between this weeks and previous weeks I can see a difference. This weeks is better. I don't see any more than that. If she had sold out then this blog must have been her resignation and there would be no more. She backs Rachel and paints Luke as the bad guy and that is not "Company policy". You can't have it both ways and say she has sold out when she writes something you don't agree with and then say she has not when she writes something you agree with.
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | bradley27 - 23/7/2008 01:01
Well there is a complete difference this week. Makes you wonder why it wasnt the case before as she was certainly towing that line. Who knows maybe they gave her a free rein this week, before going back. However you cant write objectively about the company that pays your wages. It is a conflict of interest
The point is, her brief isn't to write about the company it's to write about the housemates. You could say that when she writes for the Guardian she's selling out because she's not allowed to say bad things about the Guardian but saying bad things about the Guardian isn't relevant to the articles she's been asked to write for them and, in this case, saying bad things about the BB production team isn't relevant to what she's been asked to write about for BB.
I don't believe she's been told to have any particular opinion about the housemates. There are currently nine different sections of opinion on the website with at least six regular contributors giving six different opinions every week along with numerous guest opinions (including Aisleyne's). It beggars belief that the producers are telling each one of them exactly what to write and it's even less likely that they would let everyone else have their own opinion except Grace! Apart from anything else I really don't see what they have to gain…
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| premierscfc - 23/7/2008 10:14
bradley27 - 23/7/2008 01:01 premierscfc - 22/7/2008 23:40 bradley27 - 22/7/2008 23:36 If you go and read this week's Grace Dent, I am happy to inform you is Grace back at what she does best. I dont agree with everything she says but thats the old Grace. Read that then read what she has written so far this series and the difference is clear. Lets hope its not a one off So she has not sold out then. Well there is a complete difference this week. Makes you wonder why it wasnt the case before as she was certainly towing that line. Who knows maybe they gave her a free rein this week, before going back. However you cant write objectively about the company that pays your wages. It is a conflict of interest Honestly cant you see the difference between this weeks and previous weeks I can see a difference. This weeks is better. I don't see any more than that. If she had sold out then this blog must have been her resignation and there would be no more. She backs Rachel and paints Luke as the bad guy and that is not "Company policy". You can't have it both ways and say she has sold out when she writes something you don't agree with and then say she has not when she writes something you agree with.
yes I can because I dont agree with everything she said this week. Its all down to how it has been written and what has been focussed on. This week she seems to have been given a free rein. Lets hope it continues. However you cant be totally objective when you write about the people who employ you. Its a conflict of interests. |
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| Julian - 23/7/2008 14:11
bradley27 - 23/7/2008 01:01
Well there is a complete difference this week. Makes you wonder why it wasnt the case before as she was certainly towing that line. Who knows maybe they gave her a free rein this week, before going back. However you cant write objectively about the company that pays your wages. It is a conflict of interest
The point is, her brief isn't to write about the company it's to write about the housemates. You could say that when she writes for the Guardian she's selling out because she's not allowed to say bad things about the Guardian but saying bad things about the Guardian isn't relevant to the articles she's been asked to write for them and, in this case, saying bad things about the BB production team isn't relevant to what she's been asked to write about for BB.
I don't believe she's been told to have any particular opinion about the housemates. There are currently nine different sections of opinion on the website with at least six regular contributors giving six different opinions every week along with numerous guest opinions (including Aisleyne's ). It beggars belief that the producers are telling each one of them exactly what to write and it's even less likely that they would let everyone else have their own opinion except Grace! Apart from anything else I really don't see what they have to gain…
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simple. You cant be objective if you are paid by the company that you are writing about. She often criticised Endemol in the past, she cant now |
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Location: Stoke-on-Trent | How can she have had free rein if she has sold out and has to write what she is told? You are confusing me now.
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| I can't judge how objective Grace Dent is as I'm not watching BB9. I was very surprised to hear that she was writing for the Channel 4 website. I suppose it was a good move on their part to have a critic of the show (particularly during BB7) on their side. |
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | bradley27 - 23/7/2008 16:49
simple. You cant be objective if you are paid by the company that you are writing about. She often criticised Endemol in the past, she cant now
But she's not writing about the company! You say that this week's write up demonstrates that she's been given a free reign and yet she hasn't written any criticism of Endemol at all.
I totally accept that she would be constrained when it comes to criticizing Endemol but I have no great desire to hear her criticize Endemol. I never did. Besides, this year I doubt that she'd have anything to complain about anyway.
Her brief is to write about the housemates and I believe she can be as objective as she likes when it comes to her opinions about the housemates because Channel 4 doesn't have any vested interest in any particular viewpoint. Which I think should be clearly demonstrated by all the other myriad opinions that they are hosting on the same website as Grace.
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| premierscfc - 23/7/2008 17:16
How can she have had free rein if she has sold out and has to write what she is told? You are confusing me now.
I know its not hard to though |
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| Interestingly her weekly blog isnt up yet. Normally its up by Tuesday evening. Has she resigned or is she trying to get "Endemol are a disgrace" blog through? |
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